PALMER TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
GENERAL BUSINESS MEETING
MARCH 24, 2009
A general business meeting of the Palmer Township Board of Supervisors was held on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 at 7:00 p.m. in the Community Room of the Palmer Library with all Supervisors in attendance. Also in attendance were the Township Manager, Planning Director, Director of Public Services, Police Chief, Township Solicitor and Attorney Christy Schlottman. Colver convened the meeting and led those present in the Pledge to the Flag.
Colver noted an executive session was held prior to tonight’s meeting with no action required tonight.
2. APPROVAL
OF DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS – MARCH 24, 2009
INFORMATION
The report will be provided at the meeting.
DISCUSSION
On motion by Mitchell, seconded by Panella, and agreed by all, the Board approved the disbursement of funds for March 24, 2009.
3. APPROVAL
OF MINUTES – MARCH 16, 2009
DISCUSSION
On motion by Smith, seconded by Lammi, and agreed by all, the Board approved the minutes of March 16, 2009.
4. CHRIN INC.,
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to approve/disapprove the conditional use and plan approval.
DISCUSSION
Bruno said this is a conditional use
application before the Board tonight. The
application relates to a plan that proposes the re-use of three buildings for
the repair of equipment, storage of parts, trucks, equipment and containers,
and an office for the hauling company.
The site is located on the east side of
T-1 conditional use application filed by Chrin, Inc.
T-2 summary of the township comment sheet
T-3 legal notice for hearing published in the newspaper
T-4 letter from the Planning Director dated March 12, 2009, on behalf of the Planning Commission stating their recommendation for approval
Greg Chrin and Don Frederickson
were sworn in by Stenographer Rewak.
Frederickson reviewed the site which was previously the Harold Seiple
property. Frederickson explained their
intention to re-use the existing three buildings. Chrin said the Company occupying the facility
will be Chrin Hauling. Chrin said they
have been located in
A-1 site plan
Colver asked about the residence next door. Chrin said they own every property that borders this property. Colver asked about outside lighting. Chrin said the property will be fenced, lighted, and have surveillance cameras on-site. Colver confirmed they are not going to store any waste on-site and asked how they will wash the vehicles out. Chrin said there will be an oil separation pit and the materials will be transported to Einfalt. Colver asked about the Fire Department’s recommendation for a knox box. Chrin said that is fine.
Bruno asked the audience if there were any questions. There were none. On motion by Smith, seconded by Lammi, and agreed by all, the Board voted to close the hearing for deliberation. Lammi said he did not see any issues related to the ordinance. Smith said he feels it is a good use of the buildings.
On motion by Lammi, seconded by Smith, and agreed by all, the Board approved the conditional use request for 1551 Van Buren Road, conditioned upon the applicant fulfilling the comments on the township departmental comment sheet dated March 6, 2009 and a statement be noted on the plan that no waste will be stored on-site.
5. FINELLI CONSULTING
ENGINEERS WEST, INC. CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST/FINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to approve/disapprove the conditional use and final plan approval.
DISCUSSION
Bruno
said this application is a conditional use for
T-1 zoning request on behalf of the applicant
T-2 township departmental comment sheet
T-3 a September letter from Mr. Finelli addressing
waiver issues
T-4 December 10, 2008 zoning hearing board
decision
T-5 letter from the township engineer dated
March 6, 2009
T-6 legal notice for public hearing published
in the newspaper
T-7 extension granted to the township until April
30, 2009
T-8 letter
written by Ms. Carman on behalf of the Planning Commission recommending their approval
Stenographer
Rewak swore in Leila and Michael Finelli.
Bruno asked if there was an agreement of sale on the property. Mr. Finelli said it was previously provided
to the Planning Commission. Bruno
asked Mr. Finelli to get him a copy of the agreement
of sale to supplement the record and to be marked as an applicant exhibit
Finelli reviewed a plan of the property with the Board. Finelli said it was previously a veterinary
office and a daycare. Finelli said they
want to convert it to a professional engineering office. Finelli said they secured the Planning Commission’s
recommendation earlier this month.
Finelli said we are not proposing any expansion to the structure and
reviewed the layout of the existing building.
Finelli said there will be widening of the driveway onto Lawnherst and
expanding the upper driveway. Finelli
entered to the record:
A-1 land development plan dated December 17,
2008
Finelli
said the only significant item to discuss tonight would be the Route 248
access. Finelli said at the Zoning Hearing
Board meeting there were residents that came out to learn about the proposed
use. Finelli said the residents made a
point to emphasize they wanted us to maintain access onto Route 248. We are proposing, and it was recommended by
the Planning Commission, to modify the opening on Route 248 to an exit only,
right turn only. Entrance onto the
property would be from Lawnherst.
Colver
said we will talk about the physical use first.
Colver said he feels it is a less intense use than any previous business
that was in the building. Lammi said he
did not have any problem with the use either.
Lammi said we have to make judgment related to safety and public welfare. Lammi said he is against the driveway being
open to Route 248. Lammi said you have
plenty of access and your use will not create a lot of traffic on Lawnherst. Lammi said you can put up no left hand turn signs
but people will still make a left onto Route 248. Lammi said that is his only concern, other
than that he feels it is a great use.
Smith said the use is perfect for the location. Smith said if they have an exit on Route 248
when drivers want to enter the property and they see they cannot turn into the
property they will hesitate and then realize they have to proceed to the
light. Smith said he feels the only way
to eliminate the problems on Route 248 would be to use Lawnherst as the only entrance/exit. Colver asked if the Zoning Hearing Board
mandated the Route 248 access remain open.
Finelli said their recommendation was to allow opening to be continued
and maintained but they did not get specific as to what type of movements. Colver said he believes the opening should
remain and be right out only. Colver asked about buffering. Finelli said the south side buffering is okay
as is and he will add additional buffering on the east side. Colver asked about lighting. Finelli reviewed the lights that will be
placed on a timer to be shut off one hour after close. Colver asked about signage on Route 248. Finelli said there is an existing sign that
is shielded by shrubbery and he would propose putting a sign on the property but
he has not made any decisions. Colver
asked about garbage. Finelli said they
would privately contract for trash.
Mitchell asked if Finelli feels the Route 248 access would hinder his
business. Finelli said his personal take
is we convinced the Zoning Hearing Board and the Planning Commission and he
feels it is a good idea to keep it open as an exit only. Finelli said if you want it closed I would
need a sidebar with my wife to discuss it before a final decision is made. Finelli said this will be a significant
improvement over the existing condition and other driveways and uses along the
same road do not have the requirement.
Lammi said if anyone else would come before us he would be asking the
same. Anckaitis asked if the driveway
could be constructed on an angle that would allow only for a right hand turn
out. Finelli said it is a good concept
but he would have to review it because there is not a lot of space. Finelli said we get a lot of repetitive
traffic. It is a destination point. People are not going to be driving down Route
248 and say lets stop here. Finelli said
he believes the people who will be using it will know it is easier to use the
Lawnherst entrance.
Bruno
asked if the audience had any questions.
There were none. Bruno said there
are two ways to do this. If the Board is
inclined to make a motion as the plan is presented then the motion can be made
to approve the conditional use conditioned upon the land development plan being
approved. Bruno said if someone has a
problem with that motion they could make a motion to include closing off the entrance. Smith made a motion to go into deliberation
but to keep the record open. The motion
was seconded by Mitchell, and agreed by all.
During discussions three Board members agreed to allow a right out only
and two were opposed.
On motion by Panella, seconded by Mitchell, and agreed by three, Lammi and Smith opposed, the Board approved the conditional use request for Finelli Consulting Engineers West, Inc. as presented. Bruno recommended the motion include conditioned upon the land development plan approval. Panella amended her motion to include the land development approval and Mitchell seconded the amendment, and it was voted on 3-2.
Bruno said reviews were done by the Planning Commission and the engineer’s office. Waivers and deferrals need to be voted on. Bruno asked Mr. Finelli if he had any issues with the township engineer letter. Finelli said they are prepared to address the few outstanding items that remain in the township engineer letter dated March 6, 2009 and the township departmental comment sheet. Colver asked about the Zoning Hearing Board process and how it applied to his plan. Finelli said the Zoning Hearing was related to a lot of existing non-compliant conditions like parking space distance to the building, landscaping, etc.
Mitchell
made a motion that the Board approve the Finelli Consulting Engineers West,
Inc. final land development plan subject to the following conditions: the applicant fulfill the comments of the township
engineer’s letter dated March 6, 2009, the applicant fulfill the township departmental
comments dated March 6, 2009, the applicant obtain any approvals necessary from
Penndot, the applicant dedicate the right-of-way area to the “future
right-of-way” line to the township, the driveway on Route 248 be limited to
right turn exits only and signed appropriately, the applicant enter into an
improvements agreement to the satisfaction of the Township Solicitor, applicant
submit financial security in a form acceptable to the Township Solicitor. The Board approved the following waiver
request: 165-67.B – 300-foot separation
between the centerlines of a driveway along Lawnherst and
6.
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to approve/disapprove the final land development plan.
DISCUSSION
Bruno
said this is a preliminary/final land development plan request. Bruno said the plan proposes a two-story
medical office building on Lot 1-C of the
Don
Frederickson and Dr. Mittal were in attendance.
Frederickson said Nick Pugliese received the preliminary approval for a
restaurant on this site and the stormwater management system that was approved
was an underground system. Frederickson
said this proposal has less impervious cover than the restaurant did. Mittal said the hours would be nine to five
weekdays since most of his practice is at the hospital. Colver asked if it would only be his
practice. Mittal said he is talking to
other physicians. Mittal said it would
include three physician offices with eight to ten employees. Frederickson said the Planning Commission approved
recommendation and felt it was a better use than the proposal for a restaurant. Frederickson said they are requesting minor
waiver requests and he reviewed them with the Board. Lammi asked if they will line off a crosswalk
across the road by the handicapped ramp on their sidewalk. They agreed. Bruno asked Frederickson to explain the Pugliese
prior representation. Frederickson said
Mr. Pugliese has given him approval to revise the previously approved
preliminary plan for
Lammi made a motion to approve
the Palmer Business Park Lot 1-C, Kunkle Drive preliminary/final land development
plan conditioned on the following conditions:
the applicant fulfill the comments of the township engineer’s letter
dated March 6, 2009, the applicant fulfill the township departmental comments
dated March 6, 2009, the Palmer Business Park preliminary plan be revised to
remove the subject property, the applicant obtain NCCD approval of the E &
S plan, and obtain any necessary DEP approvals, the applicant obtain LVPC storm
water approval, the Board accepted a voluntary traffic contribution in the amount
of $10,000, and a recreation fee in the amount of $2,430, the applicant enter
into an improvements agreement acceptable to the Township Engineer and Township
Solicitor, submit financial security in a form acceptable to the Township Solicitor,. The Board approved the following
waivers: Final plan checklist E.5 –
identification of the lengths, materials, slopes and invert elevations of the
existing storm sewer, sanitary sewer and waterline utilities on the plans,
165-67.D – provision of a maximum slope of 5% for the initial 20 feet of
driveway from the cartway, 165-74.B – provision of concrete monument lot corner
markers. The Board approved the
following deferral: 165-69.A –
construction of sidewalks along Kunkle Drive, and agreed to grandfather the storm
water management plan approved under the preliminary plan approval for the
development as an exemption from the Act 167 stormwater
management plan pursuant to 106.B of the Palmer Township ordinance, the
applicant shall install crosswalk markings from the southwest corner of Kunkle
to the south side of Kunkle at the handicap ramp. The motion was seconded by Smith, and agreed
by all.
7.
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to approve/disapprove the request for a permanent certificate of
occupancy permit.
DISCUSSION
Joe Kish represented the
school district. Bruno said the
temporary certificate of occupancy expires March 31, 2009. Bruno said his office recommended the Board extend
the temporary certificate of occupancy permit until all the environmental
issues are addressed. Colver said there
is some concern that the study is 2-1/2 years old.
Lou Vittorio, the township environmental
consultant, said he believes a ninety day extension should allow enough time
for the school district to conduct their study.
On motion by Mitchell,
seconded by Smith, and agreed by all, the Board approved extending the
temporary certificate of occupancy permit to June 30, 2009 to allow for the school
district to conduct a Phase I environmental study.
Anckaitis said he would like
to clarify since at last weeks meeting and again tonight it has been said the
township never notified the school district of the need for the study - that is
not an accurate statement. Anckaitis
said the school districts engineer, Barry Isett, was notified that a Phase I
environmental audit needed to be performed in an email sent by the township
planning director,
8. INTRASTATE MUTUAL
AID SYSTEM
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to decide whether to opt out or not. The township manager does not recommend we
opt out.
DISCUSSION
Anckaitis
said this is an act that was recently passed by the state. Anckaitis said in the past when we assisted
the City of
On
motion by Lammi, seconded by Smith, and agreed by all, the Board agreed to
participate in the intrastate mutual aid system.
9.
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to approve/disapprove request to reduce permit renewal fees or
extend permit expirations.
DISCUSSION
Anckaitis said Tuskes Homes is
asking for relief of having to pay the 50% renewal fee for open permits for
homes under construction that have exceeded the allowable time period for
completion. The Board reviewed a
spreadsheet supplied by the planning director with the listing of homes. Carman said she spoke to the county tax
office and 30-months after the day construction begins the homes go on the tax
rolls. Anckaitis said he feels if we allow
this we are forfeiting government money and bailing out developers. Colver said we are going to see more and more
of this with developments on hold due to the economy. Colver said to discount the rate would be a
nightmare to track but maybe we should allow them to apply for a one year
suspension. Anckaitis said when you say
“discounts” are you saying they would not have to pay anything during the extension
period. Dillman said no one knows how
long the economic state is going to last.
If it goes 12 to 18 months developers may not want to get started again
for two to three years. If you give a one year extension it could take two
years. Colver said when they choose to
pick it up again they would have to pay the fee. Dillman confirmed they would not be paying
any money now. Smith said what happens
if a foundation goes in and then it stops and we have an open foundation. Carman said we have that situation with the
last four on the list. Colver said he
likes Dillman’s idea when they come back to finalize and get the certificate of
occupancy permit they would have to pay the renewal fee at that time. Mitchell said he feels the ones ready for
final inspection should have to get the final inspection.
Bruno asked if this is
applying to just the group making the current request or if you are doing it
across the board. Bruno said if you are
doing it for all it may need to be addressed by resolution. Anckaitis said why not do it by request only
because if you change the resolution it would affect everyone and it would
continue when the economy is good.
On motion by Mitchell, seconded
by Panella, and agreed by all, the Board agreed the developer would have to pay
the fee for the properties that are ready for final inspection (45 Cobblestone
Drive, 49 Cobblestone Drive, 9 Stone Creek Court, 23 Stone Creek Court, 161
Willow Drive, 28 Mill Brook Court) the remainder will have to pay the renewal
fee when they apply for final inspection before we issue the certificate of
occupancy. All properties are in the Villages
at Mill Race.
10.
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to approve/disapprove request to commence maintenance period.
DISCUSSION
Bruno said this is a request to
begin the maintenance period for the Bubba property. Dillman said the plan is approved and
executed but he did not know if it was recorded. Dillman said the building is up. Dillman said the site improvements needed are
very minor, there is no stormwater requirement, improvements would be street
trees, curb already exists, driveway apron and sidewalk was deferred. Dillman said there is not much we would be
interested in looking at. Colver asked
if they ever got a building permit.
Carman said she did not know.
Dillman said he has a copy of a signed plan. Colver asked if they ever paid a recreation
fee. Colver asked the staff to look into
it and bring it back to the April 6th meeting.
11. DISCUSSION
REGARDING COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING
INFORMATION
The
Board needs to approve/disapprove consideration of a zoning amendment to update
and standardize regulations on parking commercial vehicles in residential
districts.
DISCUSSION
Anckaitis said this issue was
raised by Kevin Kocher. He was sited by the
Code Department because he had an oversized vehicle in a residential area and
it had commercial advertising on the side.
Anckaitis said they found out he did not have home occupation approval either. Kocher got his home occupation approved and
he was told he could not have a vehicle in the residential area over 8,000
pounds. His vehicle is 12,000 pounds. That night he presented pictures of other
vehicles that were just like his truck, many of which are pickup trucks, his is
a box truck. Anckaitis said he raised
some issues that may be legitimate. The
8,000 pounds may be outdated and maybe we need to look at that
restriction. Anckaitis said Carman did
some research regarding Penndot classifications and they are in your packet. Anckaitis said he believes it needs to be
looked at and the question is do you want to look at gross vehicle weight or different
types of vehicles. Anckaitis said if the
Board raises it to 12,000 pounds you still have the signage problem because he
exceeds the signage requirement.
Anckaitis said Mr. Kocher’s problem will be going away because he is
building a garage but he feels it is something the township should fix. Anckaitis said he also raised an issue
regarding the way our ordinance is written.
Anckaitis said Mr. Kocher said he was also going to make Representative Grucela
aware of it. Anckaitis said he advised
Mr. Kocher that we would address his concerns.
Colver said people sometimes bring these vehicles home from their
job. Anckaitis said that is allowed by
our ordinance and that is what he is saying, what makes it right if someone works
for another employer but for him, who works for himself, it is not allowed. Carman reviewed the three different sections
of the ordinance and said we need to look at this and make sure they are
consistent. Carman said other
communities use Penndot classifications for vehicles to include up to Class 5
vehicles. Colver said he believes up to Class
5 seems more reasonable. Mitchell said
could someone park four or five vehicles at their house. Carman said it is limited to one vehicle in
the ordinance. It was agreed the
township staff will work on a proposal to bring back to the Board.
12. TOWNSHIP ENGINEER
CAPITAL PROJECTS UPDATE
INFORMATION
The
township engineer will update the
Board on the status of all capital projects.
DISCUSSION
Dillman said as you are aware
we applied for an H2O grant for the
Dillman said we sent our last
submission to Penndot this week on the
Dillman said he met with Cyndie
Carman and the solicitor’s staff yesterday to go through every project on their
project list for the township to make sure we are all on the same page. Dillman said awhile back regarding the
13. PUBLIC COMMENT
Suzanne
Baer,
14. REPORTS
Solicitor
· Bruno had a land development maintenance agreement for TD Bank. They are prepared to enter into their maintenance period and have posted security. On motion by Lammi, seconded by Mitchell, and agreed by all, the Board authorized the Chairman to sign the agreement.
·
Bruno said the
· Bruno had a letter from Attorney Steve Boell dated March 3, 2009 regarding the Crossroads of Nazareth, LLC asking for what they expect to be their last extension request for an additional 3-month period. On motion by Smith, seconded by Panella, and agreed by all, the Board approved the 3-month extension request.
· Bruno said related to the tax assessment appeal filed on behalf of the Highlands and Glenmoor they have proposed stipulation of counsel to allow as a class action instead of having to hear each appeal one-by-one. Bruno said the county solicitor executed the agreement and the property owner’s attorney also executed the agreement. On motion by Mitchell, seconded by Panella, and agreed by all, the Board authorized the solicitor to execute the agreement on behalf of the township.
·
Bruno said the
· Bruno had two litigation items for executive session.
Manager
· Anckaitis complimented Planning Director, Cyndie Carman, for all the work she did to compile data on two items for tonight’s agenda. Anckaitis said she did a lot of research so we all knew where things stood on the issues.
· Anckaitis said we had a workers’ compensation safety inspection today with our insurance company inspector. Anckaitis said he feels we did very well with the process and Scott Kistler said the inspector had no issues with anything we are doing and he commented that our housekeeping in the road and parks departments was very good.
·
Anckaitis said tomorrow he will be attending the
PELRAS conference for three days at
Public
Services Director
·
Planning
Director
·
Carman said the Magestic facility had previous
issues raised regarding on site lighting.
Magestic has come back with another lighting plan and they placed three
new lights on the building. Carman said
she understands some neighbors still do not like them. Carman said the new lights appear that they
would not be shining anywhere other than down.
They are asking for the townships direction. Carman showed photos of the new lights to the
Board. Lammi said they have to have
light and the objective is to shield the bulb and they have done that. The Board agreed Magestic should go with the new
shielded lights.
·
Carman said she was approached by a resident
that wants to do a community project and would like to find somewhere in the
township where she could plant sunflowers.
Colver recommended the area by the bike path and the post office that
the parks department plants flowers in every year. Chief Fretz said he believes they may fall into
the roadway there.
Police
Chief
·
Fretz said about a year ago he informed the
Board about two bear cat tactical vehicles that would be located in
·
Fretz said at the last meeting there was discussion
regarding speed on
· Fretz had one personnel item for executive session.
Supervisors
· Smith said he and Tom Adams attended the Recreation Board meeting this week and we went over capital projects and projects in the parks. Smith said the Recreation Board will be coming back with a formal plan for the Board.
·
Lammi said in the past you heard me talk about
the need for a left hand turn at William Penn and
· Colver said the Fire Department, again this month, brought on two more guys through the probationary period. Colver also noted he was the only one that responded to the banquet invitation. Three other Board members and the township manager said they told Diane Grube they would be attending.
On motion by Mitchell, seconded by Panella, and agreed by all, the meeting was adjourned at 9:45 p.m. with one personnel and two litigation items for executive session.
Respectfully submitted,
Robert G. Anckaitis
Township Manager